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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim&#8217;s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking by mike@ourtable</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>mike@ourtable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Outsider,

I see politics as a process, not to annoint anyone with sainthood. 

Politics in any society can be progessive, or regressive. If it&#039;s indeed progressive, the arguments will be what is needed to improve Malaysia including what qualities we seek in national leadership positions, not who is most popular or how many cars/wives/houses/bank accounts he has.


Neither RPK nor Anwar has the qualities of real leadership - neither has done any public service. Being an overpaid, overfed and corrupt politician does not qualify. Neither does writing strongly worded blogs, verging on vindictiveness, qualify as good leadership material.

It does not matter to me WHO is the next PM, but WHAT is the content of his/her character. I care whether the next leader is
- COMPETENT
- HONEST
- COMPASSIONATE AND CARING.

Why should anyone care who it is other than whether this person has the charateristics of a leader. Who knew about Obama before his speech in 2004 DNC? Look where he is today. Why? Probably because he has the traits listed above.

To repeat, politics is not about the person, its about the process of improving Malaysia. If Malaysians demand greater scrutiny of actions instead of reacting to rhetoric, we&#039;ll get somewhere some day.

It will be a difficult process because Malaysians need to be competent enough to know it&#039;s bullshit when they see bullshit, instead of kow-towing to titled individuals.

So, my suggestion is to get some education in order that we may discuss the issues, instead of merely characterising them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Outsider,</p>
<p>I see politics as a process, not to annoint anyone with sainthood. </p>
<p>Politics in any society can be progessive, or regressive. If it&#8217;s indeed progressive, the arguments will be what is needed to improve Malaysia including what qualities we seek in national leadership positions, not who is most popular or how many cars/wives/houses/bank accounts he has.</p>
<p>Neither RPK nor Anwar has the qualities of real leadership &#8211; neither has done any public service. Being an overpaid, overfed and corrupt politician does not qualify. Neither does writing strongly worded blogs, verging on vindictiveness, qualify as good leadership material.</p>
<p>It does not matter to me WHO is the next PM, but WHAT is the content of his/her character. I care whether the next leader is<br />
- COMPETENT<br />
- HONEST<br />
- COMPASSIONATE AND CARING.</p>
<p>Why should anyone care who it is other than whether this person has the charateristics of a leader. Who knew about Obama before his speech in 2004 DNC? Look where he is today. Why? Probably because he has the traits listed above.</p>
<p>To repeat, politics is not about the person, its about the process of improving Malaysia. If Malaysians demand greater scrutiny of actions instead of reacting to rhetoric, we&#8217;ll get somewhere some day.</p>
<p>It will be a difficult process because Malaysians need to be competent enough to know it&#8217;s bullshit when they see bullshit, instead of kow-towing to titled individuals.</p>
<p>So, my suggestion is to get some education in order that we may discuss the issues, instead of merely characterising them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim &#8211; Saviour, or the Wooden Chameleon? by mike@ourtable</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/anwar-ibrahim-the-saviour-or-the-wooden-chameleon/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>mike@ourtable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mat,

I&#039;m around but as I said in my last post, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anwar Ibrahim’s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, I stopped posting on politics in Malaysia. As Otis would sing, &quot;I Can&#039;t Get No Satisfaction&quot;.

Anyway, good of you to ask and appreciate your comments. You keep going tho&#039; and I will read you posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mat,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m around but as I said in my last post, &#8220;<a href="http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/" rel="nofollow">Anwar Ibrahim’s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking</a>&#8220;, I stopped posting on politics in Malaysia. As Otis would sing, &#8220;I Can&#8217;t Get No Satisfaction&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyway, good of you to ask and appreciate your comments. You keep going tho&#8217; and I will read you posts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim &#8211; Saviour, or the Wooden Chameleon? by cendana287</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/anwar-ibrahim-the-saviour-or-the-wooden-chameleon/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>cendana287</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things are hectic for me right now. And I do wonder what has become of you for it&#039;s been quite some time since I last read of any posts here. But anyway, all your previous posts are worthy to have second reads - which is what I&#039;m doing now... when I have the time that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things are hectic for me right now. And I do wonder what has become of you for it&#8217;s been quite some time since I last read of any posts here. But anyway, all your previous posts are worthy to have second reads &#8211; which is what I&#8217;m doing now&#8230; when I have the time that is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim&#8217;s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking by Outsider</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mike,
Hope lies eternal in our human hearts and the hope is that Anwar might make a good choice as PM. The hope is that, having gone through trial by fire – humiliation and imprisonment under the ISA – he would not again want to be “part of the racket.” Although many thought the only way Anwar could be PM is to re-join UMNO if he wants to be back on track on the road to Putrajaya, the man has always rejected that as an option and one has to give him credit for that, even if it really was the other way round – that UMNO, or rather the top fat cats there who have Prime Ministerial aspirations, would never have allowed him to re-join UMNO.

Sure we have choices. But many choices are unacceptable, either based on race, religious or whatever other factors. Many are unacceptable because they are not in the loop, so to speak, and will never make it into the loop within their, or their children’s lifetimes. Would a Melanau, Iban, or Kapit - - so-called bumiputras – even be able to make it near the loop? I think no. How about  Lim Kit Siang, or Lim Guan Eng who also have been through trial by fire? In the context of present-day racist Malaysia, I think not.

We thought we had a good choice in Badawi. We even welcomed him by giving him a landslide victory in 1994. But we thought wrong. So you can’t say we are too lazy to think.  

Zaid Ibrahim now looks a good choice. But is he willing to come forward,   offer himself as a choice?

Many bloggers and commenters who had a “love affair” with RPK wrote “RPK for PM, our beloved hero RPK.” When RPK was arrested earlier this year he allowed photos to be taken of him behind bars and at first refused to leave his cell, even though he was allowed. Back then his admirers were praying, nay baying, for him to exercise that option but initially refused, saying that he hoped the authorities was lock him up and throw the key away. But apparently heeding the pleas of his teary wife (sob, sob), he relented. That looked to me like such a sandiwara. 

Lock me up and throw the key away? Be careful what you wish for, one often hears said. Did RPK really wished that he be locked up and the key thrown away? I doubt it. RPK for PM? Nah for me.

Yes I, like you, think, Malaysia, like any other country, has capable individuals. But are they a choice for us. Why not name some you think are good – and acceptable – choices and we can discuss them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mike,<br />
Hope lies eternal in our human hearts and the hope is that Anwar might make a good choice as PM. The hope is that, having gone through trial by fire – humiliation and imprisonment under the ISA – he would not again want to be “part of the racket.” Although many thought the only way Anwar could be PM is to re-join UMNO if he wants to be back on track on the road to Putrajaya, the man has always rejected that as an option and one has to give him credit for that, even if it really was the other way round – that UMNO, or rather the top fat cats there who have Prime Ministerial aspirations, would never have allowed him to re-join UMNO.</p>
<p>Sure we have choices. But many choices are unacceptable, either based on race, religious or whatever other factors. Many are unacceptable because they are not in the loop, so to speak, and will never make it into the loop within their, or their children’s lifetimes. Would a Melanau, Iban, or Kapit &#8211; - so-called bumiputras – even be able to make it near the loop? I think no. How about  Lim Kit Siang, or Lim Guan Eng who also have been through trial by fire? In the context of present-day racist Malaysia, I think not.</p>
<p>We thought we had a good choice in Badawi. We even welcomed him by giving him a landslide victory in 1994. But we thought wrong. So you can’t say we are too lazy to think.  </p>
<p>Zaid Ibrahim now looks a good choice. But is he willing to come forward,   offer himself as a choice?</p>
<p>Many bloggers and commenters who had a “love affair” with RPK wrote “RPK for PM, our beloved hero RPK.” When RPK was arrested earlier this year he allowed photos to be taken of him behind bars and at first refused to leave his cell, even though he was allowed. Back then his admirers were praying, nay baying, for him to exercise that option but initially refused, saying that he hoped the authorities was lock him up and throw the key away. But apparently heeding the pleas of his teary wife (sob, sob), he relented. That looked to me like such a sandiwara. </p>
<p>Lock me up and throw the key away? Be careful what you wish for, one often hears said. Did RPK really wished that he be locked up and the key thrown away? I doubt it. RPK for PM? Nah for me.</p>
<p>Yes I, like you, think, Malaysia, like any other country, has capable individuals. But are they a choice for us. Why not name some you think are good – and acceptable – choices and we can discuss them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim &#8211; Saviour, or the Wooden Chameleon? by cendana287</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/anwar-ibrahim-the-saviour-or-the-wooden-chameleon/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>cendana287</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Mike. It&#039;s been quite some time since I&#039;ve heard from you. Yes, am aware that you had mentioned about taking a &quot;one week break&quot;. But I&#039;m a bit concerned that you have become silent; in seeing the RSS feed at my &lt;i&gt;Cendana Blues&lt;/i&gt; site not changing. I hope everything&#039;s okay, and that this silence is due to having too much things to catch up with at work instead of &quot;something else&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mike. It&#8217;s been quite some time since I&#8217;ve heard from you. Yes, am aware that you had mentioned about taking a &#8220;one week break&#8221;. But I&#8217;m a bit concerned that you have become silent; in seeing the RSS feed at my <i>Cendana Blues</i> site not changing. I hope everything&#8217;s okay, and that this silence is due to having too much things to catch up with at work instead of &#8220;something else&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim&#8217;s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking by mike@ourtable</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>mike@ourtable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mieyen,

OK, but even the decision to be either for or against - doesn&#039;t it require an understanding of issues? Scripted answers (or &#039;canned&#039; replies) does not maketh a thinking person - re Sarah Palin and the many politicians we have.

So, I&#039;m not against a decision per se, I&#039;m against inchoate tendencies disguised as decisions.

As for your second point, I wonder if you would share. Why? Why do you think DAP is the party best suited for Malaysia? Also, why are you against &quot;their association with PAS&quot;?

I agree with you on Anwar, he is unfit to lead Malaysia. He has much more to do before he convinces me otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mieyen,</p>
<p>OK, but even the decision to be either for or against &#8211; doesn&#8217;t it require an understanding of issues? Scripted answers (or &#8216;canned&#8217; replies) does not maketh a thinking person &#8211; re Sarah Palin and the many politicians we have.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m not against a decision per se, I&#8217;m against inchoate tendencies disguised as decisions.</p>
<p>As for your second point, I wonder if you would share. Why? Why do you think DAP is the party best suited for Malaysia? Also, why are you against &#8220;their association with PAS&#8221;?</p>
<p>I agree with you on Anwar, he is unfit to lead Malaysia. He has much more to do before he convinces me otherwise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim&#8217;s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking by meiyen</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>meiyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehehe, I like that - Love affairs in blogs. But haven&#039;t you noticed, Malaysian minds have not gone that far yet, they have been groomed to be either for or against.

Don&#039;t get me wrong Mike, but I am not totally against the opposition, meaning a certain, Chinese party made to appear like a party for all Malaysians. I am just dead set against their association with PAS and obviously I do not want Anwar Ibrahim to be PM of Malaysia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehe, I like that &#8211; Love affairs in blogs. But haven&#8217;t you noticed, Malaysian minds have not gone that far yet, they have been groomed to be either for or against.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong Mike, but I am not totally against the opposition, meaning a certain, Chinese party made to appear like a party for all Malaysians. I am just dead set against their association with PAS and obviously I do not want Anwar Ibrahim to be PM of Malaysia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim&#8217;s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking by mike@ourtable</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>mike@ourtable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi meiyen,

Thanks. At the risk of sounding insensitive, I am actually writing for those who disagree with me. And willing to challenge my ideas so we can have an open forum / discussion of what we seek in our leaders.

Again, I appreciate Meiyen. But I doubt I can contribute in a climate of &#039;love affairs&#039; in blogs. I just won&#039;t get stimulating discussions and that&#039;s why I&#039;ll stop posting on politics in Malaysia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi meiyen,</p>
<p>Thanks. At the risk of sounding insensitive, I am actually writing for those who disagree with me. And willing to challenge my ideas so we can have an open forum / discussion of what we seek in our leaders.</p>
<p>Again, I appreciate Meiyen. But I doubt I can contribute in a climate of &#8216;love affairs&#8217; in blogs. I just won&#8217;t get stimulating discussions and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;ll stop posting on politics in Malaysia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anwar Ibrahim&#8217;s Style Revisited: Never Stop Asking by meiyen</title>
		<link>http://ourtable.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/anwars-style-revisited-never-stop-asking/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>meiyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re good!</p>
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